Meinl Byzance Cast made in Turchia da... MURAT DIRIL!!!!

[MARY POPPINS]

Oggi spulciando in un mio negozio di fiducia ho trovato questo thin crash da 16" e sul marchio c'era impresso Made in Turkey by Murat Diril
Ma voi già lo sapevate?

[drummer3]

La murat produce\ha prodotto alcune serie sia per la Meinl che per la Paiste

[mr.anderson]

murat è stato uno dei principali inventori della linea mb20 e traditional byzance
serie 2002 e twenty paiste

è nella sua storia

da quei piatti ha costruito la rock mdb e la renaissance murat diril

[FuckinComic]

questa non la sapevo.... quindi la murat diril ha sviluppato gli mb20 e i traditional della byzance... ma vengono costruiti poi da meinl o da murat?

[MARY POPPINS]

secondo me da Murat, c'era scritto proprio sul marchio.

[DarK_ReVengeR]

i murat sono costano poco e sono versatilissimi

[mikielekim]

wow...questa non la sapevo

[mr.anderson]

prima costruiva tutto murat nella se fabbriche poi metteva il logo... ora murat si è distaccato e cerca di far sviluppare le sue serie facendo ben poco per i colossi adesso

[perandrea]

murat è stato uno dei principali inventori della linea mb20 e traditional byzance
serie 2002 e twenty paiste

è nella sua storia

da quei piatti ha costruito la rock mdb e la renaissance murat diril

Simo, dal sito leggo che Murat Diril nacque nel 1974, ben dopo la nascita della serie 2002 in b8. I fratelli Diril hanno contribuito alla lavorazione dei Twenty in b20; la forma e la modalità esatta non la conosco. Vi inoltro lo scambio di mail tra Murat e Erik riguardo a questa questione:

Mail from Erik:
Hello,
I’ve received some information about rumors travelling around the world on internet blogs and forums, regarding our Twenty Series. I thought it might be a good idea to make our side of the story public. Because I do not believe in marketing BS, I will keep it brief and to the point:

Paiste received raw materials, specifically unfinished goods, from Murat and Ibrahim Diril in Turkey. We then hammered and lathed this material to make Paiste cymbals, the Twenty series. It is not true that Twenty cymbals were made entirely by Diril, or that we just applied logos to “finished cymbals” received from them.

Unfortunately, what we are dealing with is a disgruntled supplier, who has lost both Paiste and another cymbal company as customers. Be that as may be, I still wish them well for the future.

We discontinued our relationship with the Diril brothers because of quality problems. A significant portion of the raw materials received did not conform to our standards, resulting in cymbals we had to destroy after our final quality control inspection. We had no choice but to wind up the relationship.

We will continue to offer the Twenty series, we will not discontinue it, and we will ensure that our customary quality and consistency applies. That’s the bottom line.

Any questions or comments are welcome to my attention at produktionsleiter@paiste.com.

My deep appreciation to all our fans and supporters for allowing us to continue to make great cymbals.

Erik Paiste

Mail from Murat:
l saw your statement in ''Westernet 1'' with great astonishment and my workers who have made those cymbals felt betrayed.This feeling turned into disgust later on and l wanted everybody to know the real story.
ln your ''story'' you claimed that you only received ''raw materials, specifically unfinished goods from ''Murat Diril and hammering and lathing were carried out in your company in Switzerland.'' You also claimed that ''you discontinued your relationship with Murat because you had some quality problem.''
As you will very well remember ( if not, l can send a copy of your e-mail), it was me who decided not to continue our business relation when you complained about your increasing stocks as a result of the economic crises and stoped giving orders. You asked if we could wait for a while. We could not continue and decided to finish it.( e-mail is available for those interested).

Please tell me why you provided financing to buy a melting oven and why you send a press machine and a cutting machine to my factory from Switzerland two years ago. The most important of all why you wanted to buy some of our company shares so we could be partners. Since you do everything is in Switzerland you could have kept all these machines to yourself. You didnt want to do it, because it was very expensive to produce handmade cymbals in Switzerland and Samsun with cheap labour was the best place to make them. As you have said in practically all your brochures the best craftsmen Murat Diril was also there. We are still holding the moulds of different bells for Twenty Series.

I like to everybody to know that the photographs of Twenty series you see and the sounds you hear in my website were manufactured by my workers in my factory in Samsun/Turkey. The cymbals with those states were sent to Mr.Paiste. ''Made in Turkey'' trade mark should have been put on each cymbal for a long time..Only some sound development processes were carried out in Switzerland.
ln our files, we still have so many e-mails in which Mr. Paiste has repeatedly praises and confirms our work and quality.We will be more than happy to provide copies of such e-mails and a copy of partnership agreement to anybody who wishes to have them. l think Mr.Paiste should have been enough to tell the cymbals world that he had faced an uphill struggle for selling his Twenty series and had increasing stocks.lnstead he decided to put the blame on Murat Diril's shoulders and unfairly accuse him of producing low quality cymbals.

l will continue making top quality cymbals for good drummers who can not efford to buy expensive cymbals produced by so called ''big'' companies.You will see my quality cymbals wherever you go l will flood the cymbals market with the best quality products at a reasonable low prices.

Finally, l want everybody to know that the God is my witness that that everything l say here is true and my special thansk goes to you for waking me up before l become a slave of your company.l will enjoy freedom.
My personel regards

MURAT DIRIL

Sarebbe interessante anche leggere la versione del fratello Ibrahim, i cui interventi mi paiono più ponderati e pacati, nonostante sia più giovane di Murat (anno di nascita 1976). La collaborazione con Meinl è sicuramente legata alla serie Byzance, che dovrebbe ancora essere prodotta a Samsun; anche la serie Mb20 nasce in Turchia, credo solo da Murat, non da Ibrahim, che forse si era già staccato dal fratello e dalle collaborazioni con Meinl e Paiste, perchè da sempre la sua intenzione era quella di fare piatti per conto suo, senza legami col passato.

[edmondo]

Avevo solo la lettera di Paiste!!!!! La risposta non l'avevo ancora letta!!!In pratica è finita ......a puttane!

........Perandrea sei un GRANDE!!!!!

Ho dovuto forare in 12 holes un Twenty Thin China Paiste 18" (Murat...)perchè non mi suonava a dovere........Ora va che è una bellezza.......


Posso dire da vecchio suonatore che la linea prima Twenty non ha sonorità adatte a Paiste. Tutto qui. Paiste deve suonare in quel modo e basta.

[perandrea]

Anch'io ci ho provato con Twenty.. niente da fare. Il b20 Paiste è quello dei Formula 602.
Paiste ha raggiunto l'apice della ricerca sonora con la serie Sound Formula, perfezionata poi dalla Signature. I Twenty come i Murat (Renaissance) non mi suonano a dovere (soprattutto crash).