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[lollo]

quali soldi?

[sanmar]

Ultimi aggiornamenti: stamattina ho sentito Stefano, verosimilmente i piatti saranno pronti la prossima settimana. Quindi è provabile che li avremo prima delle feste...MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

[Andrea88]

[Paul Valium]

Vedo che la mia stima era corretta.

[drummer3]

A me piace immaginarti come Notradamus!

Ad ogni modo speriamo, così potrò girare il film "Natale Blastando"

[Paul Valium]

Comunque per farvi passare il tempo e darvi una infarinata sulla storia del marchio 'Murat Diril', vi posto due stralci della vicenda dello scontro tra Davide-Murat e Golia-Paiste avvenuto nella primavera del 2009.


Lettera aperta di Erik Paiste:
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Hello,
I’ve received some information about rumors travelling around the world on internet blogs and forums, regarding our Twenty Series. I thought it might be a good idea to make our side of the story public. Because I do not believe in marketing BS, I will keep it brief and to the point:

Paiste received raw materials, specifically unfinished goods, from Murat and Ibrahim Diril in Turkey. We then hammered and lathed this material to make Paiste cymbals, the Twenty series. It is not true that Twenty cymbals were made entirely by Diril, or that we just applied logos to “finished cymbals” received from them.

Unfortunately, what we are dealing with is a disgruntled supplier, who has lost both Paiste and another cymbal company as customers. Be that as may be, I still wish them well for the future.

We discontinued our relationship with the Diril brothers because of quality problems. A significant portion of the raw materials received did not conform to our standards, resulting in cymbals we had to destroy after our final quality control inspection. We had no choice but to wind up the relationship.

We will continue to offer the Twenty series, we will not discontinue it, and we will ensure that our customary quality and consistency applies. That’s the bottom line.

Any questions or comments are welcome to my attention at produktionsleiter @ paiste.com.

My deep appreciation to all our fans and supporters for allowing us to continue to make great cymbals.


Erik Paiste
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E questa è la replica di Murat Diril:
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l saw your statement in ''Westernet 1'' with great astonishment and my workers who have made those cymbals felt betrayed.This feeling turned into disgust later on and l wanted everybody to know the real story.
ln your ''story'' you claimed that you only received ''raw materials, specifically unfinished goods from ''Murat Diril and hammering and lathing were carried out in your company in Switzerland.'' You also claimed that ''you discontinued your relationship with Murat because you had some quality problem.''
As you will very well remember ( if not, l can send a copy of your e-mail), it was me who decided not to continue our business relation when you complained about your increasing stocks as a result of the economic crises and stoped giving orders. You asked if we could wait for a while. We could not continue and decided to finish it.( e-mail is available for those interested).
Please tell me why you provided financing to buy a melting oven and why you send a press machine and a cutting machine to my factory from Switzerland two years ago. The most important of all why you wanted to buy some of our company shares so we could be partners. Since you do everything is in Switzerland you could have kept all these machines to yourself. You didnt want to do it, because it was very expensive to produce handmade cymbals in Switzerland and Samsun with cheap labour was the best place to make them. As you have said in practically all your brochures the best craftsmen Murat Diril was also there. We are still holding the moulds of different bells for Twenty Series.
I like to everybody to know that the photographs of Twenty series you see and the sounds you hear in my website were manufactured by my workers in my factory in Samsun/Turkey. The cymbals with those states were sent to Mr.Paiste. ''Made in Turkey'' trade mark should have been put on each cymbal for a long time..Only some sound development processes were carried out in Switzerland.
ln our files, we still have so many e-mails in which Mr. Paiste has repeatedly praises and confirms our work and quality.We will be more than happy to provide copies of such e-mails and a copy of partnership agreement to anybody who wishes to have them. l think Mr.Paiste should have been enough to tell the cymbals world that he had faced an uphill struggle for selling his Twenty series and had increasing stocks.lnstead he decided to put the blame on Murat Diril's shoulders and unfairly accuse him of producing low quality cymbals.
l will continue making top quality cymbals for good drummers who can not efford to buy expensive cymbals produced by so called ''big'' companies.You will see my quality cymbals wherever you go l will flood the cymbals market with the best quality products at a reasonable low prices.
Finally, l want everybody to know that the God is my witness that that everything l say here is true and my special thansk goes to you for waking me up before l become a slave of your company.l will enjoy freedom.
My personel regards

MURAT DIRIL
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Go! Murat!

[cocciam]

Ultimi aggiornamenti: stamattina ho sentito Stefano, verosimilmente i piatti saranno pronti la prossima settimana. Quindi è provabile che li avremo prima delle feste...MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

speriamoooooooooo

[drummer3]

Dopo queste due mail Mr. Murat ha ancora di più il mio più totale rispetto!
Questa frase soprattuto (oltre a quelle evidenziate) "l will continue making top quality cymbals for good drummers who can not efford to buy expensive cymbals produced by so called ''big'' companies."

[lollo]

non resta che aspettare i muratdiril e suonarli!

ancora nulla di nulla...per cui...aspettiamo!
tanto per intenderci: controllo la mail una 20ina di volte al giorno!

[Andrea88]

e io controllo questo topic una 40ina di volte

lollo per la consegna insieme al corte ci siamo con i tempi?

[DIRTY SNARE]

Ragazzi, ho letto su una web zine che hanno arrestato un certo Murat Diril, per frode di vendita oggetti non esistenti, sarà vero?

[V.I.N.Z.]

morti 12 utenti del forum per attacco cardiaco

[DIRTY SNARE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLG2TLxnPEU

[V.I.N.Z.]

saresti tu?

[Andrea88]

oh ma volete andare gentilmente a cagar?he dirty???

[V.I.N.Z.]

oh ma volete andare gentilmente a cagar?he dirty???

ehmm...io che colpa ho?

[Andrea88]

tu c'entri SEMPRE

[V.I.N.Z.]

ecco
lo sapevo
solo perche sono hannah montana!!

cafoni

[DIRTY SNARE]

saresti tu?

SI, sono io qualche anno fa, un decennio circa.

@ andrea ,

[V.I.N.Z.]

non l'ho capita

[Ciceruacchio]

basta spammare, questo è un topic di gente seria, per la miseria!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4CKE1RE ... re=related

[V.I.N.Z.]

[lollo]

ragazzi...stavo solo pensando ad una cosa: sotto le feste di natale i corrieri ecc rallentano di brutto il lavoro perchè lavorano abbestia.
con questo non voglio spaventarvi per nulla, gisusto per essere chiari.
l'anno scorso ho spedito un set ad un utente e ci ha messo12 gg ad arrivare!
comunque a parte tutto, aspetto la marea di piatti, poi comunque, avrete tutti il mio n. di cellulare per ogni evenienza.

[bouncingsouls]

tranquillo lollo... non ti sbattere.. più che altro.. magari vedi con che imballaggi ti arrivano... dai una controllatina ai piatti..

[virgil94]

lollo casomai arriva da 18" mi dovresti mandare i soldi rimanenti....che poi ti mando via mp....casomai posso anche comprare qualcosa da te....mi servono cerchi....

[lollo]

per quello facciamo via mp.

il tuo piatto + le 33 euro per corriere-celere3 e imballaggio.

come ti dicevo, non ho nulla che mi avanza. forse qualche pelle!

[virgil94]

nuove?

[Andrea88]

e io controllo questo topic una 40ina di volte

lollo per la consegna insieme al corte ci siamo con i tempi?

[lollo]

nuove?

non sooooo!!!

controllo appena posso dolcezza!

quanti soldi mi avevi dato che non ricordo?

[Andrea88]

e io controllo questo topic una 40ina di volte

lollo per la consegna insieme al corte ci siamo con i tempi?